Lucky 13 Power Chromatic key of D

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Lucky 13 Power Chromatic key of D

Post by Malarz » Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:12 pm

Is this available? In January I had asked when it might be available for sale again and Brendan was not sure due to the coronavirus in Asia. Any further information?

Thank you.

Ken

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Re: Lucky 13 Power Chromatic key of D

Post by RunBanjoRun » Tue Apr 14, 2020 1:39 pm

Hello Ken

Sorry for the delay. These are available again now.

https://brendan-power.com/lucky13.php#lucky13SoloPC
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Re: Lucky 13 Power Chromatic key of D

Post by Malarz » Tue Apr 14, 2020 2:16 pm

Thanks for the information. All of our lives are sort of on pause now.

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Re: Lucky 13 Power Chromatic key of D

Post by Malarz » Tue Apr 14, 2020 11:19 pm

Follow up question: my intention is to uise this to play mainly Quebecois tunes mainly in key of D. I’m assuming key of D is the one to choose, right?

Thanks.

Ken

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Re: Lucky 13 Power Chromatic key of D

Post by EdvinW » Wed Apr 15, 2020 9:58 am

Malarz wrote:
Tue Apr 14, 2020 11:19 pm
Follow up question: my intention is to uise this to play mainly Quebecois tunes mainly in key of D. I’m assuming key of D is the one to choose, right?

Thanks.

Ken
Not necessarily. Depending on how you feel about bending and what you want in terms of chords, the one in G might be better. Take a look at the tuning diagram for the key of G:
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This has many advantages for playing in D. First of all, the overall pattern to play the scale is rather familiar: simply blow, draw, blow, draw until you reach a place where there are two draws in a row. The major scale is very familiar to third position minor scale on a (Paddy) Richter. Further, the D, F# and A notes are all available as draw notes and can be bent for expression, which I find a huge plus. There is also a low A in the hole right next to the root note D in each octave, which is handy. Also, you have a D major chord as well as its minor parallel Bm and the double stop [E G] which could be used to suggest an Em chord (the subdominant minor parallel). For tunes in D mixolydian you might also find use for the the C and Am chords.

The drawback is that you need to bend to get every C#.

If you buy a D harp to play in D, it will be like playing in G on the G harp. As you can see there are no tonic chords, though both the dominant (D) and the subdominant (C) are there, along with their minor parallels. On the other hand, there is no bending required, which might facilitate some passages.

Keep in mind also that a harp in either key could play the other key. With the G harp, the key of D has some nice chords AND nice bending ornaments, while the key of G has some bends and and some chords but not the tonic. The key of A is also nice in terms of bends, but requires more of them. (Am has some great chords too, but I save the minor keys for now...)
With the D harp, the key of D has some useful bending ornaments (notably the fifth), and some chords but not the tonic. The key of G has some nice chords but no bends in the main chord. The key of A is the same as the key of D on a G harp.

Hope this helps some :)

Edit: The above assumed no valving. I realize now that they come half valved, and the lack of expression in certain keys is thus less of an issue.
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Re: Lucky 13 Power Chromatic key of D

Post by EdvinW » Wed Apr 15, 2020 10:13 am

There's also another option that might be interesting: Buy the G harp and retune all the C's to C#'s!

I have a harp in this tunig myself, and it's very nice! It would ruin it for playing in G, but for playing in D (and also A) you get the best of both worlds. The chords on this tuning are nicer than those of a pure Power Chromatic in any key, you don't need any bends to play the basic D major scale, and you retain most of the nice bending ornaments.

If you just want a one-key, one-mode harp for quick, clean playing, and wouldn't miss the bent C# too much, I think this is what I'd recommend.
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Re: Lucky 13 Power Chromatic key of D

Post by triona » Wed Apr 15, 2020 10:18 am

How about taking both of them? Which one is best for you to play any song might depend on the tune and the chords you want to play. This might vary from tune to tune. And you could always try which one fits best for you to play the very tune. :D


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Re: Lucky 13 Power Chromatic key of D

Post by Sachlaw » Fri Apr 17, 2020 2:43 pm

EdvinW wrote: "Not necessarily. Depending on how you feel about bending and what you want in terms of chords, the one in G might be better"

I just wanted to add that if you are on the fence on focusing on this matter, and you tongue block and play splits, etc, I would lean toward the G. The chords tones that you will get from a PC tuned harp (and a PowerBender harp for that matter) open up a lot of variety.

I also agree with Triona, as in get them both. I have the G and D stock PC. Then I have a G that I tuned to C awhile back. Between these three, I have tons of options to dial in the "feel" of what ever song I am playing. I would love it if these were available in more keys, as this tuning, coupled with PowerBender encompassing about 95% of my playing now.

Another way to choose might be to think on the modes. If the style of music you are playing, or the song itself, lends itself to the Mixolydian mode for example, then the G (which is D Mix) might be the way to go.

For an example of this see(I am quoting a relevant part below, see section 2.3.8):

http://bklondike.e-monsite.com/pages/we ... style.html

"Occasionally, and quite effectively, they do play in the second position (Québécois melodeon players refer to playing in the second position as “playing in reverse”). The second position lends itself particularly well to some music, such as Irish polkas, imparting a certain energy to these tunes and allowing some ornamentations(sp) to be fluidly played on either all draw or blow notes. “The Wishful Lover,” played by the Murphy family, is a good example. Just for the heck of it, get out of the “first position rut” and try playing a tune you know well on one harmonica in a different position on another harmonica. It’s seldom possible (and when it is, it may give you a headache - so have a bottle of aspirin ready). By the way, “Hommage aux ancêtres” is scored in the key of A but is played on a D harmonica - in the second position. Once you learn it on that harmonica, learn it on an A harmonica - in the first position. This tune is an excellent example for illustrating the difference between positions and modes. In either position, it’s in the same key, A (F#m), and mode, aolian(sp).

"Without delving too much into the concept of modes, most tunes in this book are in the “ionian” mode : their “root” notes are the same as the key of the harmonica used to play them. On the other hand, “Reel de Village” and “Reel Levis Beaulieu” are in the “mixolydian” mode : their “root” notes, A in each case, are five tones higher than the key of the harmonica used to play them, D in both cases. Thus, the chords that accompany these tunes are those generally played for tunes in the key of A. The first two parts of “Reel Béatrice” are in the “aeolian” mode: the A root note for both parts is six tones higher than the key of the key of the tune, which is C."

They are talking about tremolos v blues harps, but the analysis of modes should be the same. This also gives you some insight as to the what Québécois melodeon are doing. They are playing diatonic instruments (I think), so it might be a good idea to takes cues from their approach.

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Re: Lucky 13 Power Chromatic key of D

Post by Malarz » Fri Apr 17, 2020 5:53 pm

I’m sorry for not responding sooner but I do want to now thank all of you for your replies and advice. I think I am beginning to understand how to choose which harmonicas I might want—all of them! My harp background, as little as it is, has been tremolo playing in the first position and then more recently learning how to play the chromatic because it has all the notes. I was able to find an XB-40 and have been practicing note bending. The ease of hitting “all the notes” on the chromatic is easier but the option of getting those nice soulful bends on a diatonic is often so much more interesting and is a great option. The bended notes don’t happen as quickly as I would like them to but I’m guessing and hoping that over time I will develop my ability to get those bends when I want and as quickly as I want.

After reading your posts I plan to buy at least the PC in G as a starter. Then as I begin to develop my skills I can make a better decision about which other harps to buy. Another question: how does the PowerBender compliment the PowerChromatic? I can see that because of my musical interests one harp will never be enough!

Thanks again for all your advice. At my age (67) I don’t enjoy appearing ignorant but also at my age its a joy to learn something new and to develop another musical skill.

Ken

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Re: Lucky 13 Power Chromatic key of D

Post by Malarz » Fri Apr 17, 2020 6:01 pm

Also, I should add that I do play the single-row button accordion (melodeon) for Quebecoise tunes.The tuning is somewhat different from harmonica tunings. I’ve just had an F# diatonic harp retuned to approximate as closely as possible the tuning of a single row in the key of D. The only tuning compromise I had to make was on the draw note in hole 2. All the other notes needing retuning were easily done. The harp is on its way to me now and I’ll let you know how it it works for me.

Ken

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