Balkan tunes and tuning

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Re: Balkan tunes and tuning

Post by Brendan » Thu Oct 01, 2020 1:16 pm

MALARZ: because I was curious, I laid out your tuning in a clear format. Edvin has sent you instructions on how to do it but, if you didn't see his message, they are below.

MALARZ HIJAZ TUNING

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BLOW	G	Bb	Eb	G	Bb	D	G	Bb	D	G
Hole	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10
DRAW	A	D	F#	A	C	Eb	F#	A	C	Eb
Interesting... For playing in D, It has the same pattern as Gerhard's tuning 2-5, but then goes to a reversed breathing pattern Richter-style version in the higher holes. Personally I don't like the reversed breathing pattern change at hole 7 in any tuning, but it does have the benefit of compressing the scale by avoiding repeating notes.

Another way to compress the scale and avoid repeating notes would be to use a Circular Tuning version:

CIRCULAR HIJAZ TUNING

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BLOW	A	C	Eb	G	Bb	D	F#	A	C	Eb
Hole	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10
DRAW	Bb	D	F#	A	C	Eb	G	Bb	D	F#
No bends required here either. I like this one better, because the blow note is always lower than the draw. I prefer that consistent relationship throughout the harmonica, whatever the tuning (Solo being the exception).

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Re: Balkan tunes and tuning

Post by Gerhard62 » Thu Oct 01, 2020 2:13 pm

Brendan wrote:
Thu Oct 01, 2020 11:16 am
GERHARD: both of our tunings with the same pattern in the first 3 holes (CD - EbF# - GA) are fully chromatic with draw bends alone.
YOURS (bends shown in lower case):
C c# D -> Eb e f F# -> G g# A -> Bb b C -> (C)
MINE (a# substitutes for lower case Bb (bb), which looks awkward!):
C c# D -> Eb e f F# -> G g# A -> (A) a# B -> C
Your're absolutely right.
Shame on me for forgetting that Cb and B are the same :roll: :shock:
And no, I'm no pro on the harp. Just began this year with bending, so you're right again, that this tuning is not for normal use for someone like me.
For chromatical use I prefer the diminished tuning and I'm waiting for your Diminished Lucky 13 :)

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Re: Balkan tunes and tuning

Post by Piro39 » Thu Oct 01, 2020 5:39 pm

Malarz yes a regular major tuned G harp.

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Re: Balkan tunes and tuning

Post by Brendan » Fri Oct 02, 2020 3:06 am

Gerhard, and anyone else interested: the Lucky 13 in Diminished Tuning is now released:

https://brendan-power.com/lucky13.php#lucky13Dim

I was testing it out in Hijaz scale today. As with any other scale, there are only three patterns required to play Hijaz in all 12 keys! I'll lay them out here shortly, in the form of Phrase Maps.

These are very useful visual representations of mouth moves, breath changes and bends on the harp. You can see some for Major and Minor Pentatonic scales on the link above. Great for learning, and perfect for a symmetrical repeating scale like Diminished.

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Re: Balkan tunes and tuning

Post by Gerhard62 » Fri Oct 02, 2020 9:11 am

Brendan wrote:
Fri Oct 02, 2020 3:06 am
Gerhard, and anyone else interested: the Lucky 13 in Diminished Tuning is now released:

https://brendan-power.com/lucky13.php#lucky13Dim

I was testing it out in Hijaz scale today. As with any other scale, there are only three patterns required to play Hijaz in all 12 keys! I'll lay them out here shortly, in the form of Phrase Maps.

These are very useful visual representations of mouth moves, breath changes and bends on the harp. You can see some for Major and Minor Pentatonic scales on the link above. Great for learning, and perfect for a symmetrical repeating scale like Diminished.
Although I already have got one Session Steel Diminished half-valved in A and one in B from Seydel, I just ordered one of your new Luckys. Three octaves are a good reason for purchase :lol:

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Re: Balkan tunes and tuning

Post by EdvinW » Fri Oct 02, 2020 5:00 pm

Brendan wrote:
Fri Oct 02, 2020 3:06 am
I was testing it out in Hijaz scale today. As with any other scale, there are only three patterns required to play Hijaz in all 12 keys! I'll lay them out here shortly, in the form of Phrase Maps.
I had a go at making some Phrase Maps as well, and I think they turned out rather pretty :)
https://cloud.fripost.org/s/zdRxgtEPQ29GBMf
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Re: Balkan tunes and tuning

Post by Gerhard62 » Fri Oct 02, 2020 5:41 pm

EdvinW wrote:
Fri Oct 02, 2020 5:00 pm
I had a go at making some Phrase Maps as well, and I think they turned out rather pretty :)
https://cloud.fripost.org/s/zdRxgtEPQ29GBMf
You did, what I want to do :shock:
Thanks a lot!!! :)

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Re: Balkan tunes and tuning

Post by Brendan » Fri Oct 02, 2020 6:42 pm

Edvin: Nice, thanks! Phrase Maps are such great little helpers, especially with a symmetrical repeat tuning like Diminished. The same shape can be moved around anywhere!

The only thing I would do differently to put the blow note on the bottom. Since these are graphic representations of pitch, it seems to me more logical to have the lowest note in each hole at the bottom of the grid, with the pitch rising from blow through to drawbend and draw (see attached for an example).

Having the blow note at top is correct in the sense of its physical position on the harmonica, but it's not how you actually hear the phrase/scale. Intuitively I feel I learn faster internalising the shapes if I'm seeing the arrows move as the notes do relative to their pitch.

What do others think?
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Re: Balkan tunes and tuning

Post by EdvinW » Fri Oct 02, 2020 6:57 pm

Brendan wrote:
Fri Oct 02, 2020 6:42 pm
The only thing I would do differently to put the blow note on the bottom. Since these are graphic representations of pitch, it seems to me more logical to have the lowest note in each hole at the bottom of the grid, with the pitch rising from blow through to drawbend and draw (see attached for an example)
I like them the way I posted them, but flipping them is a flick of a button :) Here's a version like you ask for: https://cloud.fripost.org/s/bAGdij84qWzHsYq
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Re: Balkan tunes and tuning

Post by Brendan » Sat Oct 03, 2020 6:40 am

Thanks Edvin! I saved your flipped version of the Dimi Hijaz Phrase Maps (attached). Great your new tool allows players to select which version they like. Blow note at the bottom feels more logical in musical terms to me, so that's what I'll choose.

Though I haven't used them in the past, I'm finding Phrase Maps really useful for trying out scales etc on Diminished. When looking at them, I'm already finding that I'm subconsciously making the actions in my mouth as I trace the pattern on the grid.

Without a harp it's like silent practice. I could easily see this as a great learning tool when you're on a train or similar situation and can't play a physical harp. You can instead virtually 'play' the phrases in your head by studying these powerful visual representations.
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