Shifting a tuning to fit a certain range (i.e. that of a fiddle)

Anything apart from the two mainstream default harmonicas (Solo-tuned fully-valved chromatic, and un-valved Richter 10-hole diatonic). Alternate tunings, different construction, new functionality, interesting old designs, wishful-thinking... whatever!
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Re: Shifting a tuning to fit a certain range (i.e. that of a fiddle)

Post by Malarz » Fri May 08, 2020 7:00 pm

Triona,

Is the Tombo No. 1577 out of production? The S50 still is available but not in the US. (Shipping available to the US, though.) I tried to look at the link you provided comparing the 1577 and S50 but besides being in German (!), the image was no longer available. Can you summarize the differences? Are there notation charts available to be able to compare both?

Thank you.

Ken

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Re: Shifting a tuning to fit a certain range (i.e. that of a fiddle)

Post by triona » Thu May 14, 2020 4:51 pm

Malarz wrote:
Fri May 08, 2020 7:00 pm
Triona,

Is the Tombo No. 1577 out of production? The S50 still is available but not in the US. (Shipping available to the US, though.) I tried to look at the link you provided comparing the 1577 and S50 but besides being in German (!), the image was no longer available. Can you summarize the differences? Are there notation charts available to be able to compare both?
Sorry for the stubbed content of the link from January 2019 to the German harp forum. But if a user withdraws his pictures and videos from the picture hoster or cancels his account, the pics wil not be visible in the respective forum any more. This is out of my control. When I posted the link they were still visible.


Here some pics of those harmonicas:
http://www.tombo-m.co.jp/harmonica/index.html
If you scroll down to the bottom of the page, you can see that both instruments are still shown on Tombo's japanese website. Since new there is added: 販売終了いたしました。= sale has stopped = discontinued. Tombo's English website does not show the 1577 any more since longer. I don't know whether there are some remains available on the market. At least maybe some used ones.

All the German and some British dealers I checked do not offer the 1577 any more, including amazon and the one which I bought mine from.
Here it is still listed as available: https://www.crafton.se/sv/artiklar/1577.html
(It seems to be one of the main importers in Sweden.)
At Rakuten in Japan (a shopping platform) it is still listed sometimes as well.
About US I don't know anything.


Here pics and note layout again (from my own pic hoster):

Image

The pic shows the corresponding notes above each other.
On both of them he lower row of holes gives the C scale, the upper row gives the C# scale. The harmonica has to be tilted in the mouth to change from naturals to accidentals.

Image

Image

blasen = blow, ziehen = draw


Both have in common:
Coverplates also cover the back of the harmonica > no hand vibrato possible.
One reed in each channel > no interactive bending possible, good single reed bending.
Double C's and F's (enantonics), each one in upper and lower row.
Brass reeds, plastic comb, made in China.
Nice sound, reasonable volume, easy response OOTB, reasonable value for a good price.
Cheap plastic box / zipper envelope, smelling heavily of chemicals.

Differences:
S-50 beginning with C4, 1577 beginning with G3.
S-50 has offset holes between the octaves on the comb.


hope that will do now :)

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triona
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Re: Shifting a tuning to fit a certain range (i.e. that of a fiddle)

Post by Malarz » Fri May 15, 2020 12:19 pm

Hello Triona,

Thank you very much for taking the time to reply and post all fo that information. I have searched most of the common selling sites (Amazon, Ebay) and have not been able to find the 1577 although the S-50 appears to be available from Japan. My musical curiosity and exploration will have me continue my search. Do I need another harmonica? No. Do I want to find another harmonica which is different from my others and explore its possibilities? Yes. Now I am having fun discovering the possibilites of the Hohner 48 Chord harmonica.

Thanks again.

Ken

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Re: Shifting a tuning to fit a certain range (i.e. that of a fiddle)

Post by triona » Fri May 15, 2020 6:11 pm

I wanted to post a reply here.
I always get to see this:

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You don't have permission to access this resource.

Additionally, a 403 Forbidden error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.


@David: What could be wrong with my post.
This is not the first time. Happens every now and then.


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sinn féin - ça ira !
Cad é sin do'n té sin nach mbaineann sin dó


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Re: Shifting a tuning to fit a certain range (i.e. that of a fiddle)

Post by triona » Fri May 15, 2020 6:16 pm

Hello Ken,

don't mention it, anytime.
It is just a pity that most of it concerning the 1577 Violin Scale and the comparison of it to the S-50 seems to have become obsolete now, or historical at least. :( (The notification on Tombo's Japanese website about the discontinuance must have been added within the last week. I did not see it then when looking it last week.)

It was a nice Instrument. And the remaining S-50 is no alternative to the tunings corresponding to the violin's range. This was the initial reason why I mentioned it here in this thread. One could say it has grown out of topic now in this thread. :lol:


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triona
Aw, Thou beloved, do hearken to the Banshee's lonely croon!
sinn féin - ça ira !
Cad é sin do'n té sin nach mbaineann sin dó


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Re: Shifting a tuning to fit a certain range (i.e. that of a fiddle)

Post by triona » Fri May 15, 2020 11:06 pm

Malarz wrote:
Fri May 15, 2020 12:19 pm
... My musical curiosity and exploration will have me continue my search. Do I need another harmonica? No. Do I want to find another harmonica which is different from my others and explore its possibilities? Yes. Now I am having fun discovering the possibilites of the Hohner 48 Chord harmonica.

GAS is catching anyone of us sooner or later.
And you have found a good description of it.

For the chord48 look here:
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=746


dear greetings
triona
Aw, Thou beloved, do hearken to the Banshee's lonely croon!
sinn féin - ça ira !
Cad é sin do'n té sin nach mbaineann sin dó


https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC1yI3H ... 9ktgzTR2qg

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