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Re: Shifted/Inverted Bebop tuning for non-slide AND SLIDE harps
Posted: Wed Sep 04, 2019 2:51 pm
by IaNerd
Compare the tuning at the
beginning of this Topic with this one:
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=616&p=2642#p2642
Note that the only difference is in the
blow note that shares a hole with the draw note tonic. One solution gives more scales, while the other gives more useful chords.
This calls to mind those recently developed magnet-based mechanisms for altering the pitch of specific reeds.
Re: Shifted/Inverted Bebop tuning for non-slide AND SLIDE harps
Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 4:12 pm
by IaNerd
Note: On a 12-hole slide chromatic harp, the final tonic C
is there with the push of a button. Also, the 2 blow slide-in could raise the C to a D in order to complete the lowest Cmaj octave.
CORRECTION: This tuning also has multiple ii chords.
ADDENDUM: I now see that, with the slide in, it is possible to additionally have V and vi chords in the lowest octave.
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Re: Shifted/Inverted Bebop tuning for non-slide AND SLIDE harps
Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:40 pm
by IaNerd
The tuning just above here was designed with diatonic scales in mind. However, with the I (Cmaj) and IV (Fmaj) chords, a first position minor hexatonic blues scale of C - Eb - F - Gb - G - Bb - C looks quite feasible.
Re: Shifted/Inverted Bebop tuning for non-slide AND SLIDE harps
Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 6:19 pm
by IaNerd
In the tuning of
Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:12 am (above), the first major diatonic octave begins a little bit differently than do the higher octaves.
Here is a different approach to getting a IV chord at the front of Inverted Bebop tuning in an economical way. The advantage here is that all the major diatonic octaves share an identical breath pattern; there are no special cases. A peculiarity of this tuning, though, is that the first three chambers have an inverted breath pattern, which makes simple draw bends in those chambers impossible.
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Re: Shifted/Inverted Bebop tuning for non-slide AND SLIDE harps
Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 6:48 pm
by IaNerd
Here is a variation on the theme just above. This one has a consistently normal breath pattern throughout.
This tuning would be good for 7-hole, 12-hole, 13-hole, 14-hole and 16-hole harps. Not so good for 6-hole and 10-hole harps.
Note that the first three chambers contain I and IV chords--just where one would be accustomed to having them in standard Richter tuning. They are however inversions of those otherwise familiar chords.
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Re: Shifted/Inverted Bebop tuning for non-slide AND SLIDE harps
Posted: Sat Dec 14, 2019 10:49 pm
by Brendan
I received Patrick's kind gift of a Kongsheng Lyra to test out his Inverted Bebop Tuning. It's now retuned to D/G, which only required a few semitone shifts in each octave from Solo C. I'll explore a bit and report back soon

Re: Shifted/Inverted Bebop tuning for non-slide AND SLIDE harps
Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2019 9:34 pm
by Brendan
I did a short video test of a slider chromatic version of Patrick's Inverted Bebop Tuning. Using the Kongsheng Lyra he kindly donated for the test, I tuned it from Solo C to Inverted Bebop D/G, which is not a big change in terms of notes. Here's the scale:
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SLIDE OUT CD EF# GA BC# CD EF# GA BC# CD EF# GA BC#
HOLE 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12
SLIDE IN C#D# FG G#A# CD C#D# FG G#A# CD C#D# FG G#A# C D
Here's the video test:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1ZvbT6 ... f00d6ptXvV
Re: Shifted/Inverted Bebop tuning for non-slide AND SLIDE harps
Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:01 pm
by IaNerd
Bravo! Thank you very much!
This is the re-tuning scheme that Brendan used just above. The slide-in layer contains the same notes but one semitone higher.
In a 12-hole slide chromatic Solo harp, a total of 18 (out of 48) reeds must be re-tuned.
If one started with a Bb major Solo harp, the result would be the popular and versatile C major key.
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Re: Shifted/Inverted Bebop tuning for non-slide AND SLIDE harps
Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2019 2:11 pm
by IaNerd
Note that in the tuning below, the tonics of the slide-out layer have been moved from the 1, 5 and 9 draws to the 3, 7 and 11 draws.
ADDENDUM, Jan. 13, 2020: Please note that, by using the slider, a complete Ionian scale can be played from 1 blow to 3 draw. Also note that, in the slide-in layer, the first three holes are equal to
Paddy, a.k.a.
EDharmonica. This means that, in this layer, draw bends can be employed to play a complete C major scale or the
beginnings of D dorian, E phrygian, F lydian, G mixolydian, G major, or A minor scales.

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Re: Shifted/Inverted Bebop tuning for non-slide AND SLIDE harps
Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2020 4:21 pm
by IaNerd