A family of new modded-Richter tunings
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Re: A family of new modded-Richter tunings
Example of a well-known tune that goes like that? I tried the chords on guitar, and it didn't ring a bell, so to speak... Sounds nice though.
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Re: A family of new modded-Richter tunings
Not chords--single notes of a riff spanning about one measure.
Re: A family of new modded-Richter tunings
UPDATE:
I've now re-tuned a set of five Lucky 13s (G, A, C, D and F) to the tuning shown in "2018-03-05 (3).png" above. The most difficult part, as expected, was lowering the 7 draw by two semitones, so that it would match the 6 draw.
The tuning works well. I expect it will be especially useful when playing many kinds of pop/rock. However, the total lack of dominant seventh chords leaves the whole tuning sounding a little bit "white bread." For more bluesy tunes, this would probably sound a little too plain.
My current thinking is that this basic re-tuning for a Richter or double-Richter harp can be modified to enable each of the I, IV and V chords the option of being played in their dominant seventh forms. I will diagram this later, but for now, a verbal description:
Three differences from the "2018-03-05 (3).png" diagram above:
1. The 7 blow would be lowered by two semitones and another 31 cents (in this example, from C to septimal minor B-flat). This gives the flanking IV chords the option of being played as dominant sevenths.
2. The 5 draw would not be re-tuned to a new note. It would, however, be lowered by 31 cents, to become a septimal minor seventh of the I chord. In this way, the I chord to its left (i.e. the 1-4 draw Gmaj) can retain its stock option of being played as a dominant seventh.
3. The 7 draw would be raised from its stock tuning by just one semitone minus another 31 cents (in this example, from B to septimal minor C). This gives the V chord to its right (i.e. the 8-10 blow Dmaj) the option of being played as a dominant seventh. As a bonus, this re-tuning of just one semitone is easier and more reliable than my original plan of altering this reed by two semitones.
Fortunately, I recently purchased two inexpensive Easttop 10-holers (the K and the S models) and can give this a try without too much risk. I will report back.
I've now re-tuned a set of five Lucky 13s (G, A, C, D and F) to the tuning shown in "2018-03-05 (3).png" above. The most difficult part, as expected, was lowering the 7 draw by two semitones, so that it would match the 6 draw.
The tuning works well. I expect it will be especially useful when playing many kinds of pop/rock. However, the total lack of dominant seventh chords leaves the whole tuning sounding a little bit "white bread." For more bluesy tunes, this would probably sound a little too plain.
My current thinking is that this basic re-tuning for a Richter or double-Richter harp can be modified to enable each of the I, IV and V chords the option of being played in their dominant seventh forms. I will diagram this later, but for now, a verbal description:
Three differences from the "2018-03-05 (3).png" diagram above:
1. The 7 blow would be lowered by two semitones and another 31 cents (in this example, from C to septimal minor B-flat). This gives the flanking IV chords the option of being played as dominant sevenths.
2. The 5 draw would not be re-tuned to a new note. It would, however, be lowered by 31 cents, to become a septimal minor seventh of the I chord. In this way, the I chord to its left (i.e. the 1-4 draw Gmaj) can retain its stock option of being played as a dominant seventh.
3. The 7 draw would be raised from its stock tuning by just one semitone minus another 31 cents (in this example, from B to septimal minor C). This gives the V chord to its right (i.e. the 8-10 blow Dmaj) the option of being played as a dominant seventh. As a bonus, this re-tuning of just one semitone is easier and more reliable than my original plan of altering this reed by two semitones.
Fortunately, I recently purchased two inexpensive Easttop 10-holers (the K and the S models) and can give this a try without too much risk. I will report back.
Last edited by IaNerd on Mon Mar 26, 2018 4:41 pm, edited 2 times in total.
Re: A family of new modded-Richter tunings
UPDATE, Part 2:
I just re-tuned a K-type 10-hole Easttop of the key of C, as per the post just above. Only four reeds needed to be re-tuned--three of them to "septimal minor seventh", i.e. ET -31 cents. For information on the rationale of that choice, see http://www.brendan-power.com/forum/view ... ?f=9&t=198 .
My initial impression is that it works the way I intended it to, and it will be a better tool for situations that call for dominant sevenths of the I, IV and V chords.
I just re-tuned a K-type 10-hole Easttop of the key of C, as per the post just above. Only four reeds needed to be re-tuned--three of them to "septimal minor seventh", i.e. ET -31 cents. For information on the rationale of that choice, see http://www.brendan-power.com/forum/view ... ?f=9&t=198 .
My initial impression is that it works the way I intended it to, and it will be a better tool for situations that call for dominant sevenths of the I, IV and V chords.
Re: A family of new modded-Richter tunings
DIAGRAM (of what was described on Sun Mar 25, 2018 2:48 pm):


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These next two would be more difficult re-tuning projects, but I post them here because they are in other respects similar to the tuning above:


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Re: A family of new modded-Richter tunings
What would you think about lowering the lowest note on that country Big Six one half step?
With this modification most of the harp will be the I, IV and V, but you could also include the lowest b to get the Em vi. All you need to play a four chord song! 
And all it requires is changing two notes on a standard Big Six!
Of course this could be extended to a 10 or 13 hole harp for fuller chords!
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Blow: b e g c e g
Hole: 1 2 3 4 5 6
Draw: d g b d f# a

And all it requires is changing two notes on a standard Big Six!
Of course this could be extended to a 10 or 13 hole harp for fuller chords!
Edvin Wedin
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EdvinW: That is a clever and intriguing idea. I like how, in your modification, it is still possible to in-out chug the I and IV chords on the 2-3-4 channels.
However, I tend to think of the vi as having a high voicing, relative to the other chords. So what would you think of lowering the 4 blow, rather than the 1 blow?
However, I tend to think of the vi as having a high voicing, relative to the other chords. So what would you think of lowering the 4 blow, rather than the 1 blow?
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IaNerd: That would work too I guess. I still prefer my way though.
My two reasons for choosing the bottom c is that with this choice it is easier to play melodies, and that it is very out of the way when you don't use it. You could play all the normal I-IV-V-stuff with nice big chords, and then add in the minor vi when it's needed.
(PS: I see people here seem to mainly use Roman numerals to describe chords. I often talk in terms of tonics, minor parallels, subdominants and such, and some times I mix the two. If I do, will people understand me? It would not be a problem to use either one system exclusively if that makes it clearer.)
My two reasons for choosing the bottom c is that with this choice it is easier to play melodies, and that it is very out of the way when you don't use it. You could play all the normal I-IV-V-stuff with nice big chords, and then add in the minor vi when it's needed.
(PS: I see people here seem to mainly use Roman numerals to describe chords. I often talk in terms of tonics, minor parallels, subdominants and such, and some times I mix the two. If I do, will people understand me? It would not be a problem to use either one system exclusively if that makes it clearer.)
Edvin Wedin
Re: A family of new modded-Richter tunings
See that tuning, posted March 28, above?
Intrigued by Brendan's new Overblow Booster technology, I asked him if that tuning could work with a specially-prepared Booster. He said that it probably could, but then there would be an additional charge for developing a special product. He further suggested that some modifications to that basic tuning could bring it into a "regular breath pattern", i.e. where each draw reed is higher than its corresponding blow reed of a chamber.
An Overblow Booster that Brendan is already developing for "regular-breath" harps, like PowerDraw and PowerBender, could be used on pretty much any harps with a regular-breath pattern. That makes overblows possible across all ten blow notes.
We discussed this matter back and forth a couple of times. This is perhaps the best result (so far) that came from the discussion:
http://www.brendan-power.com/forum/down ... iew&id=305
Intrigued by Brendan's new Overblow Booster technology, I asked him if that tuning could work with a specially-prepared Booster. He said that it probably could, but then there would be an additional charge for developing a special product. He further suggested that some modifications to that basic tuning could bring it into a "regular breath pattern", i.e. where each draw reed is higher than its corresponding blow reed of a chamber.
An Overblow Booster that Brendan is already developing for "regular-breath" harps, like PowerDraw and PowerBender, could be used on pretty much any harps with a regular-breath pattern. That makes overblows possible across all ten blow notes.
We discussed this matter back and forth a couple of times. This is perhaps the best result (so far) that came from the discussion:
http://www.brendan-power.com/forum/down ... iew&id=305
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